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Posted: Mittwoch, Juni 10, 2009 - 12:17
I am hearing there have been some kinks in the pre sale system.
Overall I think it is a great idea and hope they continue with the sytem and work the kinks out.
Lets give them a chance and not beat up on them to much.
Afterall we dont want to lose the pre sale right?
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Yesterday’s pre-sale was a mess. People still do not know if the Charleston show is even reserved seats or not. It has been over 24 hours now and the silence from the people in charge is puzzling.
Ah, yes. Another vote. One so important it required a whole new thread on the topic....
You know what I call people who keep quiet because they're afraid of the consequences of speaking up?
Here, kitty kitty kittty.
Personally I feel that if they can't get it right, then they SHOULD cut it out and let us all have the same chance.
That's fair, huh?
Please, everybody let's keep this in one thread?
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I gotta say I agree.
For every action there is a greater over reaction.
Just relax. The kinks will get worked out if they dont .... well so be it.
I was standing in line to get seats one day for an Avett show one day and started talking to some guy who was buying tickets for some other show. He asked who I was going to see I told him the Avetts and how great they are.
Long story short he gets to the window before me and buys the Avett seats I wanted. My honest first reaction was to kill. I zened for a sec and thought I hope he enjoys the show
I guess my point is this. You can report the issue your having but there is a fine line between reporting the issues and b!tching.
The stuff I read almost feels venoumous.
Relax. Its all good
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No it’s not “all good”. I appreciate that you are a Glass Half Full kind of guy but it’s not all good. In fact it’s bad. The band has hooked up with AritstArena who I would have thought had a clue as to how to handle a pre-sale. This is not new to them and there should not be a learning curve. I don’t blame the band but ArtestArena is not impressing me. The Charleston show showed only general admission tickets available when I tried yesterday and I just looked now and see that they are selling reserved seats on row B. Hummmmmm the question was asked over and over as to how that show was to be set up and no one has come forward to clear it up. I made my decision yesterday not to drive down to that show with out a good seat, and now today there is a second row reserved available. What the heck did the people who bought yesterday get? No one knows. Is that anyway to handle things? I don’t think it’s b****ing to try to bring it into the light.
Personally, I think there have been too many problems with the pre-sale to make it fair to the fans. In theory, a pre-sale has it's obvious advantages... but I don't think this one is working.
I would vote to eliminate the pre-sale & let everyone get tics the old fashion way - the ONE day they go on sale. While I appreciate the reduced fees... the inconsistency with emails; lack of information about seating & venue set-up & venue selected, pre-sale seats that are only a portion of the 'best seats', in my opinion, do not make the few bucks savings worth it. I think anyone who REALLY wants to get tics is going to sign-up for the pre-sale... so you aren't really getting tickets 'early' anyways. I don't see any huge advantage to TAB pre-sale... only confusion.
Sorry Mao if I am continuing on thread #2 pertaining to this discussion... I don't have time to go looking for the other one.
I called Artist Arena and they said that the Charleston PAC never told them they were Reserved Seating, and so sold them as General Admission. Artist Arena said they are getting to the bottom of this and will be sending an email out this afternoon or tomorrow to all of us that purchased the "pre-sale" tickets. So, they are working on it, and I'm fine with that.
On a side note, I didn't receive the Avett email until 11:07am, but a friend of mine received a presale email through the Charleston PAC newsletter, which she received at 10am.
While I agree with Mao that this shouldn't be a separate post, I'm posting this in response because there is complaining, but most people on here are such passionate fans, that it is driving us mad with the uncertainty of our tickets.
Just received an email from AA saying that the show is all reserved seating and that my ticket would be in Row B. I purchased tickets just a few seconds after 10:30, hard to believe I didn't make it on the first row...
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I dont know. I hate to disagree with everyone. I am a passionate fan as well. You are going to get in and see the show. Front row, 2nd row, general admin.
With anything new you might find some speed bumps. I dont think Artist Arena is purposely out to annoy the fans. They are probably dealing with venues they have not dealt with before. You will have tickets and it will all get worked out.
Also e-mails can depend on the server you are hooked up too. That might be out of Artist Arenas control.
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artist arena has been nothing but friendly, helpful, and understanding.
just a miscommunication between them and NCPAC.
As my wise sister (Reblecka) once said about the Dead: "You don't need to see 'em to dance."
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"just a miscommunication between them and NCPAC."
What was the reason they gave for the tickets going on sale 46 minutes before they sent out the presale e-mail?
Hey Kyle,
Seriously. We got it....you work for AA.
I own my website and mail server. If you send me an email right now, I will have it in seconds. My stamp says 11:07, so NO it's not the mail servers fault.
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sunday,
i didn't ask about the email, but that is a question that needs to be answered. i didn't know what entity was in charge of sending out that email. is it AA, NCPAC, or this website?
what AA is doing is assigning us seats, which should be as they put it "the best in the house." so, we'll see.
I really like *the idea of* pre-sale perks for fans, and I appreciate what they are trying to do here. Hopefully in time they will work out the kinks. But in the meantime I feel pressured to buy a ticket for a show I'm not even sure I'll get to go to without really understanding what the perk is.
Is it
- A) early entry at a GA show so I don't have to stand outside 7 hours before the show starts
- B) the joy of knowing I have the absolute best seat possible at a larger venue w/ reserved seating
- C) a few extra bucks in my pocket due to reduced service fees
- D) a special area that no messy drunk attempting to start a mosh pit during Colorshow will be allowed to enter
- E) simply the relief of knowing I have my ticket if/when the show sells out on the first day (Has this even happened yet? I'm sure it will some day, but don't think we're at that point quite yet - maybe NYE run it does?)
These are all worthy benefits. I'm just not entirely sure that the pre-sale delivers on any of them based on what people have been finding out so far.
I don't necessarily need to be "FIRST!" or in the very front row, I just want to be up there. I'm flexible and enjoy it regardless if seated or standing and I know well enough how to work my way around a crowd if Mr Big Head decided that in front of me is his perfect space from which to to hear "The Perfect Space."
All that being said however, knowing "what type of show" it is (i.e. GA vs Reserved) to me really determines alot about how early I want/need to buy my tix. And unfortunately it seems like the world of concert promotion is just complicated enough that the information pass-down doesn't happen so that we can know the seating info on these. Collectively, we as fans have called several venues now and they just don't seem to know the details...because they're just the location and don't book the artists themselves.
Yes, I suppose it seems like we're all just "b!tching" at times, but really, we're airing our grievances and hoping we make enough noise to find a solution. They can't fix a problem they're unaware of.
The squeakiest wheel gets the grease...so here's my SQUEEEEAK!!! and a suggestion:
Couldn't Avett management just make seating info part of the listed details on the Tour Page?
Seems like a simple enough fix to me.
They'll next be on the West Coast in late Aug/Sept but the only date that works for me is the Saturday nite show in L.A. If I'm gonna drive "all the way to L.A." I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into.
It's a theatre so I'm guessing it may actually be a reserved seat, sit-down show. Ticket selection makes it look that way too, but based on what others have been saying on here, I have my doubts. So I called the venue to help sleuth out if the pre-sale is really doing anything special for me or not. They couldn't answer my question, because they didn't know.
"We're just the theatre. We only got info about that one today so we don't know yet about seating. Try getting in touch with Golden Voice (Who? "It's the promotion company"), they put on the show"
So...I found their website, and it says it's all ages, but no details on seating. Plus side is that the tix don't go on sale to gen public till Saturday, so it is actually a real deal presale.
http://www.goldenvoice.com/shows/details/?id=23386
To make a short story long (I'm great at that, ain't I?) I've gone ahead and bought a pair in hopes that I can actually go and that I get to reap whatever benefit (real or imagined) exists.
$71 later ($30 each + less than $5 per ticket in fees which is nice + $3.50 for USPS shipping), I'm in Orchestra Row D, Seats 10 & 12 thinking "hey, I can dance and/or sit from the 4th row!"
Unless of course it ends up being GA
Maybe I should just shut up and be happy that I have tickets.
^^^ aka "Mr. Big Head"
The Perfect Space pun was a hummer.....and I mean "Hummer" like "Hum-dinger" not a hummer like Mr. Zimmerman around here looking for a "happy ending."
Like the way you made your own list and let be damned the OrderedList and LineItem tags. That's how rebels do it.
You got a part with emphasis and a link.
You also were the first to mention something I forget to keep saying and that's that the promoters probably have a LOT to do with what seats we get access to.
You also ended it on a positive note.
Since my only criticism is length and I have NO footing there.......Imma give ya an A for that rant.
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Oh, we're graded on posts now? :crap:
i just don't see how they can give us the "best seats" if they already sold them to other people who ordered from the venue and got actual seat assignments as opposed to GA. and i got my email at 11:11a.m.
after posting this my friend that bought the tickets got an email saying: Your seat is going to be located in Section Pit, Row CC, Seat 17 and 18. i wonder if they were able to cram everyone into the pit that got ga tickets? hmm....
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And I spent the last one just hidden away
Screaming my lungs out with nothing to say.
battier1,
i think (hope) want happened was, NCPAC knew they were reserved seating, and so gave a "section" of seats to the fan club. But NCPAC didn't tell AA that, so now AA had to go back and assign us seats in that section, which by the other posts and mine, are all in the pit. so what probably happened was, NCPAC gave all pit tickets to AA, but AA sold them as GA, now AA went back and assigned us those seats. NCPAC never sold pit tickets because they gave that section to AA. Hope that makes sense.
Holy Acronyms, batman!
Mao -I also own my own website. I have sent e-mails to people and friends only to have the time stamp show 3am when I actually sent the e-mail around 2 in the afternoon. It happens.
I dont work for AA but I do small promotions for shows. There is a lot of blood sweat and tears that go into it. Most promoters dont make that much money. The promoters that make money are doing huge shows. Promoters also only have X amount of seats they are allowed to give away. The band also gets X amount of seats It is not that many in the big scheme of things. So yes I am willing to cut people some slack.
angischy - The Orpheum is a seated theatre. Like any theatre they can take the seats out however it appears they are not doing that for this show since the tickets actually have a section and seat #.
I will be at that show too
WillComply - I am glad to hear AA is working hard to correct the problem has been nothing but friendly, helpful, and understanding. That tells me all I need to know.
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Listen, Zen-master Kyle, you're really beginning to bug me with your airhead post. I can see that you're one of those people who, when faced with the fact that you are obviously wrong in a debate, likes to confuse the problem with an issue. Or maybe you're just totally clueless.
It's not about when it was sent, Einstein. It's about when we ALL received it. There are other considerations and flaws in your reasoning, but I'll spare everyone the technicalities.
In addition, Mr. Enlightenment, AA is NOT a PROMOTER!!!! They are simply a marketing and artist/fans relation type entity. So you're, once again, just so far off I can't believe you're not embarrassed to post the rubbish you do.
Do us all a favor out there in Cali.....munch some more granola, save a whale or two, and leave the thinking to people who are paying attention.
Regards,
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Wow, this is getting a bit nasty.
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It will end with Mao buying Kyle a beer. It (almost) always does.
Got to give K credit. He got us to totally abandon the first thread. Hopefully the powers that be are reading at least one of them.
There is a problem. Or problems. Late emails. Pre-sales preceded by the regular sale. Confusion between whether a show is GA or reserved. "Best seats" that simply are not. WE (not the Avetts) are paying for these services. No one is going to be aware of the problems if we remain silent.
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Yeah, some people can't take a hint. If you let yourself be amused instead of offended you'll enjoy it more. I just can't resist bringing the hammer down on people who spew garbage as if they know what they're talking about.
I guess I oughta occasionally hammer myself....
Anyway, don't take either one of us too seriously.
Especially him.
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oh, no worries, I never do! (take it all too seriously.) but, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
you guys will figure it out.
ETA: and ps, of course there are problems--tons, and I agree that they need to be aired. I've been lucky (so far I THINK) that I haven't had any issues personally, but if they do come up, don't worry, I will be vocal--I always am.
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And your loveliness, no, it doesn't help
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but seriously mao, i think you know that we all love you, and we know that most times (or SOMEtimes) you're not totally serious but...can you PLEASE take it down a notch? i'm not too fond of thinking that you might call me a moron if i post something you don't like.
Seriously. It makes people uncomfortable. Kyle was nothing but polite and just offering a different point of view. Right or wrong, it's hard to find fault with that. Even if there is a difference of opinion, there is no need for name calling and belittling someone. I'm sure Kyle is perfectly capable of taking care of himself, but still.....
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You have no reason to fear that I will call you a moron if you post something I don't like. I see lots i don't like and I comment or not accordingly. If, however, you post something moronic then I might kindly point it out as I did in my first post. If you continue, then I might say something like "Ok, we get it ..." without having to add that I think you're a moron.
But if after that you call me by name and continue spewing garbage that is misleading at best, then you'll get what you ask for. It is what it is. I sorry to say I think you're a little confused. It's not that I don't like what he's saying, it's that he's totally wrong and it annoys me. I asked him twice, nicely, to quit confusing people, now I'm telling him to get his facts straight or get out of the conversation.
I question his motives anyway posting an "pro-band" ass-kiss post outside of an already established thread.
This is not a mere "difference of opinion." This is fact verse ignorance.
People need to be uncomfortable once in a while.
That being said, I'm sure Kyle is a nice guys and probably a fan. I'd love to buy him a beer sometime.
Don't react to the reaction. The facts are Kyle is wrong on nearly every point he attempted to make. I take issue with him confusing people and hopefully, after 3 attempts to let him know, he understands that now.
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does anyone know what the name of the person/entity that sent the email with the username/passwood for the new avett ticketing place is called?
I'm trying to login, but having trouble. Looking back through my email trying to find it, but if one of you knows right off, I can sort by name and that would be much easier.
Thanks in advance
Chase
"Don't react to the reaction. The facts are Kyle is wrong on nearly every point he attempted to make. I take issue with him confusing people and hopefully, after 3 attempts to let him know, he understands that now."
we would be able to focus on the points/facts/misinformation/whatever much more easily if you weren't calling him names. that's all we're trying to say. you actually don't have to hurl insults at someone to get your point across. because yes, okay, you've definitely got our attention now...but not about the subject on debate.
"I sorry to say I think you're a little confused. It's not that I don't like what he's saying, it's that he's totally wrong and it annoys me. I asked him twice, nicely, to quit confusing people, now I'm telling him to get his facts straight or get out of the conversation."
i can speak for myself when i say i am not confused (though i'm pretty sure i can include stirred in that). it makes no difference whether you disagree on opinion or fact...the conversation does not have to go to that level. i understand you think that because he is disputing your facts, he deserves that kind of treatment. we are disagreeing with that, that is all.
we're not saying you should remain silent about these issues that CLEARLY need address and fixing. and we're not asking you to lose the colorful way in which you do it. we're just saying we'd appreciate it if you'd rein it in a little bit for the sake of the people that don't share your penchant for lovingly browbeating people. just a little!
I know many people dont agree with me on this issue due to the frustrations they have experienced but I do appreciate the goodness of everyone trying to keep it civil. Danks for dat
I am just going to let this one lie and hope peoples issues get resolved soon.
It seems that they are heading in the right direction.
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call em off. I found it...
"It seems that they are heading in the right direction."
I think this is what some of us find annoying. What evidence do we have that supports this "opinion"? This is the third or fourth round of pre-sales under the direction of AA, and I see no improvement at all. And, unless AA is a start-up company doing this for their first band, there should have been little need for improvement from the beginning.
My needs are simple. I want to know when shows are happening and when tickets are going on sale. I want to know in advance the seating/standing arrangement. I want a fair shot at what I believe are the best seats. I don't want negative surprises after I lay my money down. It "seems" to me that AA and/or Avett management have let a whole bunch of us down in all of these areas. As responsive and generous as the Avett gang have been to us in the past, I am laying most of the shame on AA.
The only things I see positive from working with AA are the reduced fees and reasonable control of scalpers. That's good, but I expect better. Much better.
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Thanks, Kyle. That's a GREAT idea. Especially seeing as how you were completely wrong from creating a duplicate thread to most of the things you said.
Mary, I appreciate what your feelings and I know you're just trying to make nice, but honestly I take issue with you saying you can't focus on the main point because of the way I choose to express my frustration. I really don't know what to tell ya. Sorry you feel that way, but it doesn't change facts.
Maybe I let his arrogance and ignorance get the best of me, but the man refused to respond to reason.
And, with all due respect, quit all the whining about "names." Being upset over a name is about as, dare I say, moronic as being upset over somebody talking about your momma. It's petty, and frankly I do it for humor. If I thought this was a legitimate discussion I would have had MUCH more respect than to try and be funny.
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go ahead and take issue all you want. i can see this is going nowhere.
But thanks for trying.
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Ok, you silly bickering thread-jackers, enough!
Back to the POINT of this rant...
(or at least my interpretation of the point/rant)
What's the real point of the Presale, especially if it's gonna be confusing and poorly run?
And, can we get it FIXED or at least better-communicated to us?
I kinda don't get it. And how come I got tweeted with info about another TAB Presale for the LA show today?
Source: http://twitter.com/goldenvoice
The Avett Brothers 9/5 Orpheum. Twitter only presale today 12-6. PW: twitter http://bit.ly/V1NPo
Clicking through on the link leads to a Ticketmaster presale promoted by GoldenVoice (the actual promoter)'s Twitter feed. RT (re-tweeted) by many other people today...if you search "Avett Brothers" on twitter, you'll see.
It seems like a GA show, the only choice you get to make regarding seating is the level you're on. Priced at $27 per ticket instead of $30 like the TAB presale via AA, but fees are a bit higher so one ticket = $45 (versus $71 for the pair I bought - you do the math)
I guess we weren't ever promised exclusivity here...and ours did start first and last longer. (that's what she said)
I'm just sayin'...
i don't care about the name calling either way. i find it kind of humorous, but i'd prefer to stop talking about it actually. kind of like beating a dead horse.
the main thing that's annoying is that it was very evident to AA that there was confusion on the part of all of us, and yet it took them quite a while to realize there was miscommunication on their part. furthermore in the email i received informing me of the new seat assignments in the pit there was no apology for their mistake. granted it said if i responded by friday i could get a refund, but they took no responsibility for what was obviously THEIR mistake.
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And I spent the last one just hidden away
Screaming my lungs out with nothing to say.
Well, to be honest, a debate is one thing, when it devolves into name-calling and a totally off-topic argument between two people, it is extremely annoying. Clearly, it bothered at least a few of us, or we wouldn't have said anything. It's great if it didn't bother you, Battier1, or many other people on here, but I don't see the harm in those of us that it did bug speaking up--I think that Mao, and I'd hope others, would agree in our right to state our opinions, right?
We also have the opportunity not to read the thread, of course, and I guess that's what we all should have done--those of us who didn't like it, and those of us who don't want to talk about it. But, seriously, aren't we above these types of petty back-and forths?
You don't have to agree, obviously.
And most of us do agree that they dropped the ball in some venues, but when one person isn't as worked up about it, he doesn't need to get attacked. Ignore him and move on.
which is what I will do with this thread now.
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I agree with marysstikal and chilixx...this is what boards are for. To discuss issues and topics. If you dont agree you dont agree. No need to get upset and post something just to be mean cause they arent seeing things your way. Sometimes I dont post cause Im scare of being attacked, (again). Name calling is for grade school.
I hope the pre-sale issues get worked out. It does seem like they are trying but there is still a long way to go.
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I find it very disappointing that an adult conversation of differing opinions cannot be had on this message board without belittling, name calling , rude digs, etc. Regardless of one's opinion... this is not middle school. Why the hell do differing opinions lead to such rude posts?! Despite that fact that I am a VERY opinionated person... I see no purpose nor do I have the desire to beat down everyone I encounter who doesn't see things my way. Everyone should be able to speak freely & voice their opinions in a mature manner WITHOUT FEARING they will be attacked. Attacking someone via a message board is really pretty pathetic anyway.
The pre-sale has sucked for many people... and worked fine for many others. This topic & every other is going to have opposing opinions. Everyone should feel comfortable & free to discuss their feelings, regardless of what they may be & regardless of which way the majority sways.
I have been watching this rude pattern of behavior on this list for a while now. I imagine there are others who want to speak up but are afraid they will be beat down if they do. Well, I have no problem speaking for those people b/c I will always stand up for what's RIGHT; what's GOOD; what's FAIR.
While some may find the name calling & rude comments funny or entertaining... I would suggest watching some Jerry Springer, if that is your taste. I find zero humor in belittling anyone & do not beleive that the the Avett Brother message board is the place for it.
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I agree 100%. Thank you kayasmama.
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Insults and name calling don't really appeal to me either, but the defenders of RIGHT and GOOD and FAIR aren't immune from belittling others - albeit a little more subtlety. Note Kyle's second post:
"For every action there is a greater over reaction."
"I guess my point is this. You can report the issue your having but there is a fine line between reporting the issues and b!tching."
"The stuff I read almost feels venoumous."
Now who is doing the judging? And why did KM feel it was necessary to start another thread on the topic? I didn't find venom in the first thread. Disappointment. Confusion. Hurt. Suggestions for improvement. Maybe Kyle has not been burned by AA yet, but who is he to tell those who have been to:
"Relax. Its all good"
This isn't an opinion. It's ridiculous. There are many things about the pre-sales that are clearly not working. If I was Scott or Seth or Bob or Dolph, I would want to know the kinks in the system. I have not found anyone questioning their motives. They have proven over and over that they value their fans. No question the pre-sale is intended particularly to benefit the members of this board. That's great, but it isn't working very well. It should be fixed or abandoned.
And for all self-proclaimed defenders of good, right and fair, think about what you are saying about those you are attacking. Are your hands really that clean? Had you been silent this thread would have died long ere this.
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We all know that the pre sale is f'ed up. No question about that. I dont think anyone is saying that kyle is right but the out of line name calling is wrong. Agree to disagree.
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Hey Guys,
Since I am the root of all this I feel as though I should chime in.
I started a second thread because t was my opinion that the posts on the pre sale were getting harsh. I have not been burned by it yet. Maybe I might feel differently when I do
There are some many great positive posts on this board I felt like I had to say something. Maybe I should not have started a second post but I saw it as a different topic.
I sensed people were stressing and I was hoping they would "relax" and know they were going to get into the show and see our favorite band. I dont know about you but I am happy for people when they are right up front. Yeah I wish I was there but it does not stop me from having a great time.
I understand there are some kinks that need to be worked out. However I do think it is a good program and I truly dont want to see the program abanonded.
Feedback is a good thing when stated in the right tone. Maybe everyone can get there thoughts together and send them to Ramseur or AA so they can work on the issues.
I thought the posts about the GA or seated is a great suggestion. When you got your e-mail was another common post. Maybe everyone can write down there issues and a master could be sent to Ramseur or AA. Ramseur or AA then could come on here and let everyone know whats happening . Thats jsut a thought.
I feel like I tried to squash it in a previous post but others then got dragged into the mud slinging. If people took my posts personal I apologize. I never inteneded to offend anyone in any way.
How bout a big ol group cyber hug huh?
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"And for all self-proclaimed defenders of good, right and fair, think about what you are saying about those you are attacking. Are your hands really that clean?"
I am the only one who used those words... so I assume this is an indirect reference to me. To answer your question, YES, my hands ARE clean. I do not post hateful comments towards people. I do not name call or belittle due to differing opinions. I have no subtle innuendos hidden in my messages. I do not attack those with opposing opinions. I think about what I say; I say what I think; and I do make an effort, every day of my life & in every aspect of my life, to stand up for what's right, good & fair. Attempts to undermine my intentions or misconstrew my words do not negatively impact me. I am a strong believer in Karma.
I live my life fighting for those who can't stand up for themselves. I use my voice for those who do not have one. I am a Fair Trade activist; an advocate for children's rights; an advocate for underprivileged & handicapped women; an animal activist & an environmentalist. I spend every day of my life working towards improving the lives of others. I spend every day of my life speaking up for what I deem good, right & fair... whether it is on a message board or for one of the Fair Trade Co-ops in India, that I work with. So again, are my hands clean - absoultely.
"Had you been silent this thread would have died long ere this."
What would the point of this be? There was no need for me (or anyone else) to be silent throughout this thread... or any other. This is a message board. It is a means of communicating feelings & opinions. It is a means of discussion. I don't see any need or reason to intentionally let an active thread 'die down'... if I (or anyone else) has something to say. I don't understand that comment at all. Mud slinging in a thread is not reason to end a thread. It's reason for others to step up & support those being taunted. I don't back down & become silent when things get ugly.... that's my fuel to speak up for what's right.
Kyle ~ I just want to say that you spoke your opinion, against the majority, with as much kindness as one could. You shared your view in a very polite & non-threatening manner - no reason to apologize for that. I applaud you.
You are more than welcome PGfromWinston. Thank you.
Now let us all sing Kumbaya.
I sure hope MAO comes back from Bonnaroo soon. We need a voice of reason. And I need a good laugh now and then.
Wow, never before have I seen attempts at peacefulness, respectfulness & good will be so offensively disrespected.
I guess your 'Kumbaya' comment was supposed to be a humorous joke (I see it as a very offensive dig) to the causes that I spend my life fighting. If you were involved in the causes & organizations that I am & knew & saw the things that I do (like the blind, mentally handicapped woman in Nepal who would be living on the streets if it weren't for the baskets I purchase from her; or the woman who was run over by a train, decapitating both of her legs who I employ to make jewelry) I highly doubt you would be degrading my efforts in that way.
The disrespect on this board is completely out of hand.
That was a “can't we all just get along” crack. Not at all directed at you. I love ya kayasmama, heck we both have little Kayas running around.
My post was inspired by the post previous to yours. His "How bout a big ol group cyber hug huh?" I was just not fast enough to get it in there.