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Avetts and Old Crow
Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 23:35
When i think of modern americana music, these two bands seem to lead the way. I've never heard anything about what they think of each other. I know a lot of avett fans love old crow, anybody heard anything?
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I'm not sure either. I've seen OCMS before live, and they seemed to attract the same type of crowd.
I will say this, I met a friend of my step-dad's who was really into OCMS, so I made him an "Intro to The Avetts..." CD...he likes it so far..
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They both opened for DMB... brah.
When and if they ever collaborate it will be kinda like when De Niro and Pacino starred in Heat together.
Hopefully it wont be like Righteous Kill....
I find OCMS entertaining. But I find the Avett Brothers meaningful and entertaining.
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Agree with reiggin and raise him - TAB is far more entertaining and righteous (as in standing for things that are good and true). As far as their feelings toward each other, it is a well known blood feud.
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And now that I think of it, TAB has left the Americana tag behind, once again demonstrating their music is unclassifiable.
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OCMS isn't worthy to wipe the dust from The Avett Brothers' boots.
That is just how I feel. I even like them okay. I have two of their albums, but for me, they are not even in the same league.
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The Avetts are a rare talent, timeless yet current, and capable of singing straight to a single soul while broadcasting to the ever-increasing masses.
why does everything have to be a competition?
its like saying which one is better, cherry pie or apple pie? they both rock and are great to see and I'm sure they both have a deep respect for what the other is doing.
I like to think of pies respecting each other.
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i think pies have a HEALTHY respect for each other.
get it? eh?
Cherry pie kicks apple pie's butt.
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The Avetts are a rare talent, timeless yet current, and capable of singing straight to a single soul while broadcasting to the ever-increasing masses.
enjoy your cherry pie, while everyone else has both!
haha.
No way. Apple pie disrespects cherry pie, and with good reason.
they are both two different bands.... Old Crow presents a very raw edge to a very traditional style of music... i mean anyone who can play the claw hammer banjo and make it appeal to the masses definitely has my respect.... At one point I thougth the two bands were very similar but the more time that passes they are going in different directions and really just don't have many similarities....
I dig both but am a march bigger fan of the avetts....
i also don't like cherry pie - but really love me some apple pie
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If I hadn't found Old Crow, I might never have been introduced to the Avetts, so I'm thankful for both. That being said, my addiction to TAB far outweighs any other I've ever had.
As for pie, I'll take pecan over apple or cherry any day.
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Personally, I can't stand OCMS... I saw them and was VERRRY disappointed. I was excited about seeing them, but I found their live show uninspired and downright boring. Not to mention they played "Tell It To Me" twice.
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ok, i gotta comment. last one, i promise.
its cool to have your own opinion, really, and no one can tell someone else that their opinion is wrong. and while its one thing to be disappointed in a show, i hardly would belive that it was boring. and as far as Tell It To Me, they play two similar old jug band songs about cocaine, Tell It To Me and Cocaine Habit. They also play Tell It To Me as a reprise at the end of the show to introduce the band, this was a common stage procedure in old time country performances.
and sure, over at www.oldcrowfans.com this would have different responses, but i think the puking icon and insults are very unAvett.
but like others have said, these are two completely different bands and styles that share a majority of fans. both rank high up on my short desert island list.
Old Crow ranks pretty high up there in my list of favorite bands to see live, so I'm sorry you had a bad experience. They have rocked my face off several times. And I like the pie metaphor. Pies are good.
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Ok maybe the puking icon was little over the top, but my opinion still stands. Thanks for the call-out WillComply (I can get carried away sometimes). I don't want to turn this into a dreaded opinion argument that never ends. I don't like Old Crow. That's fine if you do. I wasn't impressed when I saw them. Others love them. That's fine too.
But really? "unAvett"? Maybe to tag me as such is little over the top as well? Just sayin'...
And insults? Where did I insult them or anyone else?
Again no disrespect intended. I don't mind getting called out when I should, but no need to call me out then label me.
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worth,
its all good. like we both are saying, we have our own opinions and can differ.
and to clarify, the post was unAvett and insulting (to me and my opinion), definitely not you. I wasn't attacking you. Maybe you saw OCMS on tour promoting their latest album (which kinda sucks).
Mmmm pie. If OCMS served pie at their shows, they could be my second favorite band. As it is, I have seen them twice (first in a very small venue where I also first saw TAB) and enjoyed both shows. It would be great to have them open for TAB. However, I can't even picture TAB opening for OCMS.
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Good point bobzimmerman. I couldn't picture TAB opening for anyone at this point.
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well they did just this year for Widespread Panic and Dave Matthews... granted they are getting bigger and bigger and at a nearly exponential rate - but they aren't out of the woodshed just yet.... I've seen bands like this get big and then fall on deaf ears ( i.e. Robert Randolph and the Family Band)..... granted I don't think it'll happen, but there always is a chance....
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maybe is should rename this thread apple pie vs cherry pie
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A gentleman is some one who knows how to play the banjo, and doesn't- Mark Twain.
Someone just gave me a piece of homemade pumpkin pie (and you're damn right I ate it for breakfast), and I hereby declare pumpkin pie to be the best kind of pie.
As for Avetts v. Old Crow - I have only seen OCMS once but they put on an incredible show - lots of energy, great tunes, etc. I wish them great success (although I do hope they get off the junk before it takes a real toll on their music/performance/etc.) I think they're very talented and enjoy their music.
But I like the Avetts better. But that's kind of like saying "I like breathing better than not breathing." So take it for what it's worth.
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I would be at that show in a SECOND! TAB and OCMS would be an amazing show! And as for OCMS not being meaningful? I don't think you're listening. A lot of their songs are full of social responsibility and pointing out inequities and other problems in the world. They're plenty meaningful and they are plenty worthy of sharing a stage with TABs.
"I do hope they get off the junk before it takes a real toll on their music/performance"
I think it's already a little late for that.
I like the band but I don't think they are in the same league as the Avetts. I think of them more in the league of the Hackensaw Boys. Even then I would pass up Old Crow for a Hackensaw Boys Show any day.
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Well I must say these are two of my favorite bands....i do not know if anyone was at the chicago show the other night but it was kind of weird.. but still great. First, they have now added a drummer/keyboard player/mandolin player to the band. At the end of the show for the encore the new guy played the drums, the harmonica/fiddle player was on the keyboard and the rest of them had changed over to electric...2 electric guitars and an electric bass. IDK if this sounds weird to anyone else but I have seen them numerous times before this show (and before the release of the avetts new album) and I loved what they did but it kind of felt like they were trying to simulate what the avetts have started doing. Im sure both bands respect each other and it seems like for the most part if your a fan of one then your a fan of the other and I think both bands know this. They have been the two main bands at the forefront of this americana scene. They put on a hell of a show, I just never thought I would see them perform like that and the timing felt a little weird too...Any thoughts?
yeah. Totally. Old Crow used to be real traditionalists but they seem to be trying too hard to be crazy on stage. They used to be fun, but it was still about the music. now they just act like they are on cocaine. I was turned off by it. It seems like they are trying to hard to have fun up on stage. there also is a bunch of jibber jabber about squat in between old crow's songs. just needless "how are yoooouuuuu toniighht!!!". yeah but they are my 2nd favorite band ever so yeah.
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A gentleman is some one who knows how to play the banjo, and doesn't- Mark Twain.
Old crow, Hackensaw Boys, Robert Randolph and the Family Band, all quality music in my opinion. Yes, the Avett Bros reign supreme. But this is all good stuff we're talking about here.
What are the members of Old Crow on? I've been on the dark on this one - I know there are lots of references to booze, coke and that song "Methamphetamine" but I didn't realize it was autobiographical.
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Robert Randolph had really fallen off over the past 4 / 5 years... i remember the first time i saw them play, they were opening for North Mississippi Allstars at a small bar in Winston-Salem - then they really burst onto the scene and were opening up for some big acts and playing major festivals - then about 2 years later they were nearly non-existant... i do still think they are great musicians - they just never could change their sound up enough to keep people interested....
I love the Hackensaw boys but somehow they have managed to dodge me for the past 2 years and i have yet to see them live...
As for OCMS - I lived in Boone, NC right before they decided to head out and I was able to see them play at a couple of really small bars in Boone and really got a huge respect for them in keeping the traditional style of playing ,etc. and making it popular... anywho - their most recent release really wasn't superb but ok in spots and its really dissapointing to hear about the new direction wit the electric instruments, etc.... but i guess bands have to do what they have to do.... and yes, they have been struggling with the drugs for quite a while - which was the reason Critter had to leave the band...
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I've seen OCMS once, but I don't like cherry pie....
I liked their show, even at a place with crappy sound. I don't think their fans compare to those of TAB, even though I saw Dane at that show, and of course, Dane is awesome. Their music is very good, but it doesn't strike me as deeply as TAB. Now, if I'm in the mood for a good song about drugs, I know where to turn, but if I want to hear a beautiful love song that makes my heart quiver, OCMS ain't the place. I like them both, but I wouldn't travel far and wide for Old Crow. With unlimited funds, I would travel cross country for the Avetts.
And, I love apple pie. I guess the Avetts are the apple pie?
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I must say that Heids has the most compelling argument. Pumpkin pie is the best.
Old Crow does put on a good show. Tennessee Pusher, however, over did the drug reference thing. Still a fun concert, but singing about Meth didn't wasnt very uplifting for me. I certainly don't take them a seriously as TAB. Its more like good fun music to listen to.
Now for the sake of conversation, lets say Yonder Mountain Sting Band=Chocolate Cake.
now i love me some chocolate cake!!!
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given the choice i would probably rather see the hackensaw boys versus ocms as well. and i hope that the avett brothers never collaborate with them on that grand of a scale. its like if the stones were to play with the beatles.
as far as them "leaving" americana behind. its not so easy to do. release one album that you cannot clearly classify in that genre and you think its left behind? it will follow them all of their career. and also look at the new songs written post i and love and you. if we wanted to get silly we could definitely group them into a vague "americana" glob. they're all very roots oriented songs, at least how they have been performing them.
Pumpkin Pie is the best. especially for breakfast. in fact, I would consider it a breakfast pie. I love it the day after Thanksgiving, straight from the fridge with a tall glass of milk. Damn, I can't wait.
which begs the question: can you have your pie and eat it too?
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I MUST have whipped cream with my pumpkin pie. LOTS of whipped cream. It's a great pie for this time of year but doesn't have staying power with me. Like eggnog - love it for the next 40 days, and then I'm done.
My wife makes great pies - it's all in the crust. Apple is one of my favorites, but it can be ruined with too much seasoning or the wrong apples. Almost any fruit pie is wonderful. And cream pies - peanut butter cream, chocolate cream, coconut cream....... How about lemon meringue and Key lime? They are fruit pies of a different (and very tastey) stripe. Pecan - in small quantities - is another seasonal must have. And the punk is right - they are all Americana!
Mrs. Z wants to second the pumpkin pie for post-Thanksgiving breakfast!
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hi Mrs. Z! You guys should bring a pie to Knoxville. Coconut cream, apple, and pumpkin all sound goooood, but if you have a specialty... by all means...
I've never had chocolate or peanut butter cream pie! Hmmm.
I'm making two apple crumb pies tomorrow, I hope the crust is up to par!
Apple is the best pie, Avett brothers are the best band, everyone should be happy about this, the end.
I second Taryn's suggestion.
there's a restaurant in DC that serves Goober Pie--it's some sort of creamy peanut butter thing and has a chocolate ganache topping. it's a religious experience.
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I experieced the same encore at OCMS's Nelsonville show, Kesims. When they broke out the electric instruments, my husband and I just looked at each other. We love the Avett Brothers and Old Crow and found the timing very odd ourselves. But who wouldn't want to be more like the Avetts?
Also want to mention that we had the pleasure of meeting Willie outside after the show and, to my surprise, he was as nice and gratious as the Avett Brothers were to all us fans. I expected it from the Avetts from reading everyone's posts about them, but wasn't sure what to expect from Willie. Great end to a great evening.
TAB is good and OCMS is fine and Cherry Pie is cool, but all that matters is MEGAN'S MUFFINS ARE THE BEST!!!
Seriously, having one right now with my coffee....mmmm!
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Second Megan's muffins but also nominate Jen's (Chillix) pumpkin bread which I think has crack as a main ingredient it's so freaking good and Marissa's (Marystikal) apple pie, which will make you sit up and sing.
For those of you keeping track at home, Avetts are still > OCMS.
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Ann and Heidi...thanks for name-dropping my baked goods in a completely unrelated topic! Ya'll are awesome!
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um, it is crack. does that change anything? glad you like it!
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I can add my 2 cents on peanut butter pie. We made it for our school's Thanksgiving dinner and it was a recipe from Jiff. It was heavenly to say the least! starts with hot fudge on the crust, then some peanut butter/whipped cream concoction, topped with again hot fudge! It was amazing to say the least!
My 2 cents on OCMS, yeah, the Avett's are way better!
"Why does everything have to be a competition?" I once read an interview with Reba McEntire. She said she regarded everyone in show business as competition, even artists in different musical genres. It makes sense if you're vying for people's disposable income. Name anything that isn't a competition on some level.
And in this competition, there is no competition. Avett Bros are far and away more charismatic, more soulful, more versatile, and more capable of rocking the world than OCMS. I like them pretty well, I have their 2004 album, but they aren't even fully responsible for the best song on the album (Wagon Wheel). However, they're very talented with an incredible lead vocal. IMO
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I got to thinking about this topic again on the way home from work tonight. I was listening to Pandora and started to think about what was the common element to songs I gave a "thumbs up" to and those I either gave a "thumbs down" or just didn't bother rating. The biggest common element I could think of was meaningfulness. Tonight it ended up being a mix of Wilco, Dylan, Ray LaMontagne, and Yo La Tengo.
Songs that speak to me both musically and lyrically end up not only in my collection but also in my playlists. Sure, I like some "pop" and catchy-yet-non-sensical songs as well but the ones that become my favorites have a deeper meaning. Which is probably why Wilco and TAB are my two favorite bands.
Going back to OCMS, they fit more of the "pop" side of what we might call Americana. I might also put the Gourds in that grouping. Although I'd definitely say the Gourds are a step above OCMS.
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This is way off topic, but good call on Yo La Tengo, reiggin! I've been re-discovering them lately by making mixes for someone, and it's been a great experience. Those guys are awesome. Ever heard their live cover of "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend" by the Ramones? Great cover.
Reiggin, you're my kinda guy. "Americana" is an "also interested in" genre for me. Ultimate favorites of mine are Wilco, Ray LaMontagne, the Finns of New Zealand (especially young Liam)... love Yo La Tengo, Elliott Smith, PJ Harvey, Richard Thompson... I've never even heard of Old Crow. When I first became obsessed with Emotionalism, I admitted tentatively to my friend that my newest favorite album had lots of banjo! This just happened a couple of months ago. Now I'm a full blown TAB fan, addicted and awaiting my first live experience.
This popster claims number one status for Rhubarb pie -- no strawberries allowed. Just tangy pink rhubarb.