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Schweiz (Deutsch)A bit disappointed.
A bit disappointed.
Posted: Thursday, March 4, 2010 - 04:36
MIdwest City, OK concert .I do not want to seem like a whiner. Don't get me wrong, the show was great. I love the guys. But they did not sing I and Love and You, Die, Die,Die. Kick Drum Heart or When I Drink. Three of these are my favorite songs. Two of them are on the new CD. I was excited at the encore thinking they would kick out these songs but they did not. I and Love and You is their signature song from the new album and I was excited to hear it live as it was the song that won me over when I saw them on Letterman.
But they only did one encore. After driving several hours to get there and then back I have to be honest I was disappointed. As bad as that sounds. Don't beat me up to bad on the boards.
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I don't think anyone is going to beat you up too badly for being disappointed, but maybe you want to change your perspective. You are a relatively new fan, yes? So maybe you aren't familiar with all of their older music, but you heard some really great songs last night - old and new. You got to hear Skin & Bones, which is an unrelased song a LOT of fans haven't ever heard and really want to. You got At the Beach, which is a great fun song off of Mignonette, which they have started playing less and less songs from. And you got SSS, another somewhat rarer song they play. And I can guarantee you there are quite a few folks that are jealous of you getting Salvation Song, which is an incredible song live. As for the newer stuff, so many people want to see 10,000 Words (including myself!), and "And It Spread" is a song that gives me goosebumps everytime.
I understand you're disappointed, but I wouldn't let it cloud your experience too much, especially if this was your first show (which I assume it was). Keep listening, go to more shows - you'll develop more favorites and you'll find that songs you didn't think resonated with you will sound like something entirely new live.
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well said Heids! Tami has said, and I agree, that there were a bunch of great songs played at our first show that she didnt' know (she wasn't very familiar with their music at that point). she wishes she could go back to that show and listen with today's perspective.
I guess my point, ducatifred (as in Ducati-Fred?), is that you will likely look back on this show in the not so distant future and have similar thoughts.
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Heids, Addicted, my thoughts exactly. But I totally understand your frustration Ducatifred. When I attended my first show I only know the Emotionalism album and I was completely disappointed because they didn't play very many songs that I knew. I left that night determined to know all their music & to see them again. Don't let that disappointment ruin your experience because it was a great show, and I have found that no matter how much you see them it is pretty common to leave their show with a certain amount of disappointed because of a song you were praying they would play. The just have so many songs & they all mean something different to everyone. Now you just need to see them again to put it into perspective! By the way I was there too & thought it was amazing! Skin & Bones was a real treat!
I go to shows with no expectations other than to have a great time and I've never been dissappointed! I have my wish list, of course, but whatever they play is fine with me.
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Thanks for the balanced and thoughtful responses. You are all so right. It was an amazing concert. This was my first concert and
I just did not want it to end! I apoligise for the tone of the post. They are incredible and I need to be promoting them not spouting off negative posts.
On to the next concert!! This time I will be one of the people yelling out a favorite song!
Oh god. Don't do that. Or if you do, only do it once.
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yay, for skin and bones! wish i were there to hear it!
I've been wanting to see SSS for several years! I love the unpredictability of what songs you may see at each show. There aren't too many artists that mix it up like the Bros. do.
I know how you feel. The first time I saw them, all I wanted them to play was Salvation Song. I didn't get it, but it didn't cloud the night because every song was amazing. Then the next time I saw them, I got Salvation Song. I've only been able to see the Brothers three times, with number four being a couple months off, but in three shows I've crossed several of my "have to hear before I die" songs off of my list.
So yeah, it's okay to be disappointed, but it just means you can be that much more excited about your next show!
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Oh god. Don't do that. Or if you do, only do it once."
My thoughts exactly.
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Ok, OK I will just" pray" they play my favorites instead of irritating yelling!! I'm learning. This is fun!
Awesome! If only all new Avett show-goers were as amenable to suggestions/change as you are!
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oh how you are going to kick yourself in the ass when you find out how good SSS and At the Beach are, and you didn't fully appreciate them when you saw them live. i think we've all been through exactly what you have Ducatifred, so don't feel too bad. Still kicking myself about the Lowering, the very first song i'd ever heard in concert. i thought it was a soundcheck they were doing a first for Pete Schroth's sake!
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the show at midwest city, rivals any pearl jam show i have been too.
A little on/off topic, I am going to the show in Minneapolis tomorrow night, and I would LOVE to hear Seth play a Darling song or two. Specifically I would love to hear Mama and The Future! I have seen both brothers do a solo encore, Seth-In the Curve and Scott-Murdered In the City. But I would go nuts if Seth plugged in for Mama and the Future! Just my opinion.
it's funny how perspective changes, isn't it--I mean, we've all felt it. they have well over 100 released and unreleased songs plus covers they play fairly regularly. and of course we all have our wishlist songs (I still haven't gotten my top 5 that I've had for over 20 shows and no luck.) I think I and Love and You is a great song, but by now I've heard it so often, that I'm not disappointed to not hear it. I kinda figure, I'll hear what I hear and go with the mood of the boys. I have to say, I am super envious of 10K words and SSS--songs I've only heard twice each and it's been over a year since SSS.
too bad we don't get to submit a cover request after, say, every 5-10 shows, right?
and it would be great if Seth played a Darling song--has he ever (besides Darling shows and Bella Donna?)
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Well, I'm not going to say I was disappointed, more like surprised beyond imagination that "I and Love and You" and "Kick Drum Heart" weren't played, but that said we got such a great selection spanning the archives that I can totally overlook missing a couple of the newer tracks.
What we did get, in no particular order was...
Distraction #74
January Wedding
Murder in the City
And It Spread
Go to Sleep
Head Full of Doubt/Road Full of Promise
Laundry Room
Paranoia in B-Flat Major
The Perfect Space
Salina
Slight Figure of Speech
Ten Thousand Words
Salvation Song
At The Beach
SSS
Skin & Bones
Bella Donna
I know I've left some out, so those that were there help me fill it in or get the order right. I really want to get last night's set list built into a playlist so I can just throw on my headphones and relive last night as best one can.
Okcclimber, go to the Set Lists board. There is a complete list there, in order. Great show!!!
I really love the post that says" That this show was better than any Pearl Jam show. We took friends to the Athens show. They said something similar about Bon Jovi....Ok...I know that was a bad comparison...but come on...Bon Jovi!
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I went to my first show only knowing a few songs and came away in a slack-jawed frenzy. Acutally, I come away from just about every show that way. (The slight exception was because of the set list repetition this past NYE, but they were damn fine shows, and the boys more than made up for it in Ithaca.) Hanging with awesome people before, during and after the show has made it even more amazing. Damnit, I'm getting all misty eyed. When's my next show!?
Gunnar: DELFEST.
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It's funny because I just came from the Set List area and some dude at the Minn show was complaining that they closed with ILU. You can't make everybody happy all of the time. But, if they let me make the set list, at least I would be happy!
There's always a few songs I'd like to hear and a few that strike me as overdone, but I try to set all that aside and enjoy the greatest live band I've ever heard.
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Rejoice always, Mark
Bobzimmerman: is it just coincidence that the second line of your post matches the second line of Paranoia in B Major?
Not wanting to speak FOR him, Mike B, but it's not likely a coincidence. That statement has become quite the motto around here (and offline too, I s'pose). It's a very true to life statement as well as song lyric.
Mark, I'm all for you making some of the setlists. What IS your dream set anyways?
Wow -- I would LOVE to hear SSS. My wife and I sing that one together a lot. And 10K words -- it's the ONLY one off I&L&Y that I haven't heard live.
I'm going to my third TAB show tonight, and I've definitely got my "wish list" (I Would Be Sad, 10K Words, Down with the Shine). But I also have a pretty good idea about which four or five songs they're sure to play (Jan Wedding, Laundry Room and SFOS, for example) -- and with those, I look forward to tuning in MORE and getting more out of them -- getting more into the details.
They just play so well, their voices are so great live, and the band is so TIGHT that they could play flippin' Twinkle Little Star and I'd dig it.
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AerixJ: "They just play so well, their voices are so great live, and the band is so TIGHT that they could play flippin' Twinkle Little Star and I'd dig it."
Ha ha. So very true.
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The first show that Daryl and I went to there were probably 100 people there and the only songs I knew were from myspace. Daryl had Country Was and only half of it would play because it was so scratched up. We danced all night and had no clue what we were dancing too! ha It wasn't until later, when we became the obsessed fans that we are now, that we realized how lucky were were to hear the songs we heard. Heids said it best and you are such a great person to being open to the suggestions. Just don't be like us and rely on the interwebs to keep the setlists for you! =) You just may lose them when a certain message board is updated. ha
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heids: "Awesome! If only all new Avett show-goers were as amenable to suggestions/change as you are!"
I KNOW this is going to get me some flack, but alas, here I go. I read the above quote and it begs the question; is there a standard or rule book or law that states how veteran "Avett show-goers" are supposed to act? Before those of you who judge fan dedication by the number of years a person has been following the Avetts, please know that I've been listening for several years. A friend of mine who teaches in NC turned me onto them around 2002. My wife and I have been to 12 shows and we have enjoyed each one in different ways. We actually were able to meet Scott and Bob in Cleveland last weekend which just made the entire weekend that much better. I will confess to all that I will "offer my suggestions" on the off chance that they might play the song. What's the harm? How does that interfere with your experience? Why do you assume that only "new" show goers do this? Does the act of yelling out song names make someone a less sophisticated fan? If so, slap the cuffs on, because I'm guilty as it gets. In contrast to what appears to be your opinion and others that have commented on this issue, I think it shows that the individual who offers up a "holler" for a song has found something (a song) that they can connect with, which I feel is the reason musicians do what they do. I know that many, if not most, of the Avett fans that have been around for a while (me included) feel a sense of ownership at the shows; that they may have more of a connection with the music or the band, but casting a negative light on the harmless actions of new show goers may send the wrong message. To be honest, I find it ridiculous, and perhaps slightly obnoxious to have to stand next a 35-ish year old woman who cries uncontrollably like a 13 year old girl at a New Kids on the Block concert while telling my wife and I how much each....and.....every.....song.....has changed her life. I don't ostracize her for expressing how she feels and I certainly don't let that ruin my time at the shows. It's obvious that I'm long winded and I've probably spent too much energy on this, but the more shows I go to, the more I feel a sense of "I'm a bigger fan, I know more songs, I know the manager's name, etc." Can't we just go to a show and enjoy the music and the good times that the Avetts, Bob, Joe, and the new drummer (can't remember his name) are so willing and generous to give? I find that the theatrics of the other fans in between songs can be almost as entertaining as the songs performed. We're all part of a pretty eclectic group of individuals, let's have fun with it! Everyone at the shows has earned the right to be there, and as long as they aren't physically infringing on anyone's good time, I say yell out and scream at the top of your lungs! What's cooler than having one of the guys respond to your yells, it gives that sense of interaction that we all like so much at the shows.
Damn, that was long, sorry all! Now, let the lambasting begin!!!
>>>"Does the act of yelling out song names make someone a less sophisticated fan?"
Yes.
>>>"I find that the theatrics of the other fans in between songs can be almost as entertaining as the songs performed."
I don't. I find it rude and a distraction. I'm betting dollars to donuts that I'm in the majority.
>>>"What's cooler than having one of the guys respond to your yells, it gives that sense of interaction that we all like so much at the shows."
Showing respect to the other hundreds or thousands of fans around you who came to hear the Avett Brothers perform, not you. That's what's cooler.
Now, I could have tempered all of my responses in a much more polite and gentile way. But since it was obvious from your reply to Heidi that you already have preconceived notions about the people who post on this board, why bother trying?
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Ugh. Once again, a request for folks to be respectful and polite to those around them has caused someone (me) to be cast as uptight and having some kind of "superfan attitude." The "new" showgoers thing was tongue in cheek - there are jerks of all ages and experience levels out there - but I'll go ahead and respond anyway.
I recently posted this in another thread, but it bears re-posting here:
Everyone's got their different threshold for what they'll put up with at a concert and what bums them out. I used to have a much higher one. And there are certain things that will never be settled - like the "do you sit or stand during seated shows" debate that rages on - but there are certain objective standards that I believe all folks should adhere to, and if you don't, you're a prick. I mean, sure, you have the right to go ahead and talk throughout the show, repeatedly scream out song requests or make lots of "whooooing" sounds during Murder in the City. But don't be surprised if people call you an a**hole.
To address your specific points, Gibmon:
"I will confess to all that I will "offer my suggestions" on the off chance that they might play the song. What's the harm? How does that interfere with your experience?"
Do it once, I don't care. Do it more than once, and it's annoying, rude and an unnecessary distraction, ESPECIALLY if it's done while they're playing OTHER SONGS. I didn't come to hear your yap running through the show, I came to hear the muscians I love put on the show that they have planned for us.
"I think it shows that the individual who offers up a "holler" for a song has found something (a song) that they can connect with, which I feel is the reason musicians do what they do. "
We all have songs we connect with. This doesn't give you the license to attempt to dictate the play list. And I agree wholeheartedly that musicians create music to connect with others. However, they do not create it so jerks at a show can repeatedly scream out their song titles and disrupt the experience of other show-goers.
"Can't we just go to a show and enjoy the music and the good times that the Avetts, Bob, Joe, and the new drummer (can't remember his name) are so willing and generous to give? "
Agreed. And in so doing, please take into account how others around you "enjoy the music." Obviously, there are a number of people who DON'T appreciate the repeated yelling of song requests and who DON'T want to hear you make tons of approving noise during quiet songs. The idea that you HAVE to scream at a concert to really enjoy it is absurd to me. But like I said, go ahead and do it. Just don't be surprised when people call you an a**hole.
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What's with the quotation marks? You're trying to sugarcoat something that everyone, yourself included, can see right through. "Offering suggestions"? You're yelling to or even at the band, possibly interrupting them. That sort of behavior, in my opinion, transcends the differentiation of old and new fan and heads straight for obnoxious fan territory.
Like Heidi said, everyone connects with the songs. That's why we're there at the shows and that's why we're here in this community. Who is any one fan to say that their connection is deeper, more significant, or in any other way more deserving of being recognized at a given show? To me, and perhaps others here, that is the sort of message a "suggestion" sends, not one of encouragement to the band. The latter should be a non-issue anyway, because I promise you those boys in no way feel a lack of appreciation and acknowledgement when they perform.
I like the sound of your own advice: go to a show and enjoy the music and good time that the band is so willing and generous to give. And by that I mean appreciate each song they choose as the night progresses, in the fashion that makes Avett Brothers shows so very unique.
And, for the record, screaming at the top of your lungs physically infringes upon my eardrums and, thus, my good time.
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Wow, this got ugly. This is what you guys get from their music? Happy to be a newbie then.
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Wow, this did get ugly. I'm starting to rethink my involvement on these boards. It might be a good idea for us all to lighten up and stop taking ourselves so seriously. It IS art that brings us all here, and we are all entitled to enjoy it & appreciate it in our own way. I highly doubt someone yelling out a song that they love infringes on the experience of others all that much. And I highly doubt anyone who is a member here would do it repeatedly in a way that would disturb others. I'm a newbie, and I joined this community to share the love for this amazing music & the amazing individuals who make it. More & more I've come across negative posts that are really turning me off to this whole thing. I wish we could all just respect our differences & realize that we are here because of one great similarity, The Avett Brothers.
Just took a look at the Chicago HOB set list & reviews and noticed that there was a fan request for November Blue. According to the reviews, they seemed be more than happy to oblige that lucky fan. I'm totally jealous... November Blue!!!
gibmon said: "is there a standard or rule book or law that states how veteran "Avett show-goers" are supposed to act?"
please don't take this as backlash, I'm only offering my opinion. bickering gets people nowhere, and I speak from experience on that.
I think there is a standard of decency that every show-goer should uphold regardless. I know it will never happen, but it would be nice if more people tried. I think there is a clear line between a well-timed song request, for instance, during a quiet time between songs, and repeated, poorly placed shout-outs. These guys, or any band for that matter, trudge around the country to play for us. I realize that requesting songs shows a certain form of appreciation and recognition to a band, but obnoxious and sometimes incoherent yelling of the same request over and over is disrepectful. I'd even go so far as to say it could be taken as an insult, as if, the songs that they chose to play aren't good enough. Let's take into account that the band may possibly have their own agenda, that being, to play the music they want/need to play. They are, after all, working towards building an increased fan base. I think that they are more qualified to determine which of their songs are best suited to do that on any given night.
So, if you're a respectful requester, which I know many people are, that's great! If you veer toward the drunken, obnoxious shouter, I think you are wrong, and should change. Who am I to say that? No one, really. Just another fan.
a side note to all of this and general observation of life in general: Political correctness sucks. period. It's a major problem in society when people can no longer voice their opinion against another person's position without it being taken as an attack. It's sad really, because so much conversation and learning is lost because people are put into the position where they are afraid of hurting someone's feelings because they don't agree with them. So many conversations are cut short because when someone does speak up, the other person takes offense and then goes on the defensive, rather than staying objective and open to discussion. Those that say to hell with political correctness and call a spade a spade are labeled blunt, bully, or just mean. Maybe if we all grew some thicker skin, took ourselves a little less seriously, and learned to work through differences of opinion with open minds and rational thoughts we'd all be better off.
this last paragraph wasn't aimed at you gibmon...the thoughts just crossed my mind as I was typing.
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I think folks confuse the terms "ugly" with "dissention." There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with people and airing those disagreements. I am passionately against the yelling of song titles out at a concert. There are others who are passionately for it and those who are passionately ambivalent. Everyone has the right to express their opinion, even if I don't agree with it, and engaging in debate about a particular topic doesn't make this a "negative" or "ugly" place that is lacking in love and community.
I will concede the following: I might have used the words jerk and a**hole too many times in that last post. That probably is a little negative and ugly. But in my defense, I was using them as catch-all phrases to describe people who engage in obnoxious, rude behavior at concerts. And I think those people ARE jerks and a**holes. But to clarify, I wasn't directing those comments at anyone in particular. But other than that caveat, I stand by my comments.
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Passionately ambivalent! Love it.
Drunk morons who incessantly yell rude, stupid comments are the ugly ones and must go. I'm with Jer and Heids on this one.
It's too bad that the damned alcohol is often the root of the problem. I really like the energy of bar/club shows. I just wish there was a way of muzzling idiots.
Funnily enough, I just heard from a friend who was at the MN show, and she said that the show was great except for "a bunch of drunk 30 something yahoos from Wisconsin" who "yelled at all the least appropriate times."
And just to be clear here, my use of the words idiot and moron is not directed at you, gibmon, or anyone else on here as far as I know. It sounds like you like requesting songs. That doesn't bother me too much, it's part of a show. It's the oblivious/intentional rude behavior that irks me.
ps I've taken all day writing this because of interruptions at work that have forced me to change my post to respond to added comments. Work can be so inconvenient sometimes.
Walelua, that's because the requester had been holding a sign with the title on it.
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Well, it seems that in order for me to not be labeled an a**hole or a jerk, I must completely explain my concert going protocol. While at a show, if it's getting close to the end and there is a song I really want to hear, I may yell it out during a down time (while they're changing instruments, talking to one another, etc). Although I do certainly enjoy my beer and will definitely find an after-show get together, I do not go to the shows hammered. I find that paying $4 for a beer at the show is ridiculous, and being plastered simply takes away from MY experience. Let me also say that I completely agree that obnoxious screaming during slower songs, incessant badgering by drunk fans, and attempts to over talk the show is out of line and can take away from a good show experience. If my original post had been read closely, I clearly stated that I may offer a suggestion here or there, I certainly didn't describe any actions in my post that would warrant name calling and such vitriol. I agree with those who said that this got ugly, as is becoming frequent whenever someone has the gumption to disagree with those who seem to live on here.
My post was offered as a catalyst for discussion which was construed by some as being a personal affront. To Addicted, you couldn't be more correct. Political correctness has ruined the opportunity for discussion, debate, and the potential to learn an opposing point of view. It has also harbored the notion that simply because a person doesn't like something, it is automatically wrong. The entire theme behind my post was "let's just get along" to put it plainly.
reiggin: "Now, I could have tempered all of my responses in a much more polite and gentile way. But since it was obvious from your reply to Heidi that you already have preconceived notions about the people who post on this board, why bother trying?"
I wouldn't call what I wrote a preconceived notion, more of a "speaking from experience" notion. Time after time, when someone who rarely posts attempts to offer a contrasting opinion on an issue to those who are on here rather frequently, it turns into a firing line. It's not a very welcoming aspect of these boards, and judging by some of the above posts, it seems I'm not the only one who feels this way. I personally don't care, I'll argue all day long, I'm a former corrections officer and a junior high teacher...it's my specialty. Others obviously find it off-putting.
There is a silver lining to all of this; the enormous amount of passion that we all feel for this music. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't be here calling each other names, discussing the ruination caused by political correctness, and getting the opportunity to have in depth and mostly intelligent conversation (which the world lacks so much these days). To heids, reiggin, and Mooncutter: I'm sorry that you feel as strongly as you do concerning my opinion and I apologize for having so hideously offended the three of you. If you find me at a show offering up a suggestion and it interferes with your show, come tell me, I'll apologize again and I'll buy you a beer, but only after the show... that s***'s expensive.
You're a good man. Sorry sh*t got misconstrued. It's just that usually when someone quotes Heids.... well, it never ends too purty.
Oh, and you're going to have to try a lot harder to offend me. Maybe some "yo mamma" jokes or a couple threads centering around your love for all things Jonas Brothers. Otherwise, you won't find much offense taken by me for darn near anything said here.
Hey, we're all devoted and that passion you speak of is what drives us. Happy it could all be fleshed out. Come to Merlefest... the Cheerwine's on me.
By the way, I think the shows need more posters (and less drunken revelry). At the next show (Merlefest excluded), I promise to bring posterboard that loudly proclaims "D-††††!!! FOX SPORTS RULES!!!"
Oh, and the other side will be a bold request for "My Last Song to Jenny".
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the low anthem's opening set............was better than a pearl jam show.
I am a loudmouth, brash and can be known to swear like a sailor. None of it has any malice whatsoever behind it, and I welcome folks to disagree with me. In fact, I often state my opinion strongly with the goal of goading people into conversation because I do love a good back and forth. I do my best to be diplomatic but unapologetically refuse to mince words when stating my opinion. I have been told this can be grating or perceived as an attempt to intimidate people that don't share my opinion. I can't do much about the former, but I promise the latter is definitely not true. I'm no bully.
Look, I spend a lot of time on this board b/c I have a job that puts me in front of a computer 10 hours a day and I take frequent breaks. I don't have any particular claim on the truth or what's right or what's wrong as a virtue of having over 1000 posts on here. Just my opinion, which I like to throw out there when it's strong enough. If anything I said came across as ugly or unfair, I apologize.
I'd take that beer now Gibmon, but it's 8:40 on a Tuesday morning and some might say that would be gauche. On a related note, how the hell is it only 8:40 am Tuesday???
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If you hear someone yell at the top of their lungs, "Play whatever you want!" it is me...Anyway I have been on the boards quite a while, but do not post very often. More so lately because I, like Heids, have a job where I am sitting on a computer all day with really not much else to do besides read these boards. I find it very entertaining.
@heids...I hope you don't think that I was insinuating that you sit around and do nothing all day, I was just referring to myself at that point. Sorry!!
I am just relieved to see gibmon using paragraphs in his second post. Only read about 2 lines from the first aside from the quotes others used. We can all be a little better than we were before.
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reiggin, I'm all for you requesting My Last Song to Jenny and Merlefest.
CHEERWINE? COUNT ME IN!
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gibmon, I just want to let you know that your post, opinion and actions haven't offended me, strongly or otherwise. Much of what I said was directed in the general direction of people who yell things during a show. If you say you only "suggest" during appropriate times, song breaks or what have you, then I have absolutely nothing against that. It's a concert, after all. I'm just a bit sore on the topic of vocal fans because I was stuck in the middle of a group of them at my last show and they made it a less than pleasant experience. Inappropriate remarks at the band and other fans, singing/shouting so loudly I couldn't hear Scott or Seth from my spot in the second row, stuff that would detract from anyone's show. Not that I'm saying it's fair to make the same assumptions of you or paint everyone who shouts out with the same brush, but that's where I'm coming from with all this.
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Give the love you find until it's gone
While there were a lot of good points made here, this thread also illustrates why I rarely post anymore. No offense to anyone(Heids especially), but these days I get way more from the music than the "community." One of the reasons that I fell in love with TAB is how the music made me feel and what I used to call the Avettude of the guys and their fans. I've been struggling with this since the New Years Day show, and the negativity that followed, here on the boards.
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"Happy's not the word, you make me free."
I very rarely take offense to anything anyone posts on here. I'm sorry you don't feel the same sense of community here, especially if I contributed to that at all.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.