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Posted: Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 00:13
Did Solomon really not make the new CD? If not, then it's a shame.
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yes, it definitely did not make the cd. the official track list is floating somewhere around here.
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"a woman's heart runs on gasoline"
I was just thinking of More of You the other night for the first time in a while, and I would really like to see that and Solomon as bonus tracks for the new album, maybe Can You Not See as well? I hope that the label doesn't do that thing where it's a different bonus track for every chain store or online mega-retailer that's selling it. There were like 5 for the last Smashing Pumpkins album, which is just a shameful way to rip off the die-"not-softs" (didn't want to get censored) that will actually buy 5 versions of the same album to get them all. I don't mind them being digital only, just don't have a Target bonus track and a Best Buy bonus track and an iTunes bonus track and an Amazon bonus track and so on...
Solomon is such a great song. Why it isn't on the album aghh? okay so i'll hope for some bonus tracks. but yah, I want them all, all in one place. Wow what a silly thing to do , have a different bonus song for certain retailers....EWWW
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-I've changed my mind so much I can't even trust it, my mind changed me so much I can't even trust myself.
if they did split up the bonuses, at least most places let you buy single tracks (unless they are "album only" - which WOULD be a bummer).
I'm still hoping some of the "missing" songs will become a Gleam III - perhaps to come in the Fall?
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We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.
~Willy Wonka
I can't really see any of those songs fitting in with the Gleam's aesthetic. None of them are slow or bare-bones enough. Solomon kind of is, but not at the very end.
Blasto,,,I have always been a big Pumpkins fan and it really ticked me off when they released the Zeitgeist album w/ all those different track listings to different stores. I would hate to see that happen here as well.
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I wanna live, and I want you to live happy and free
Didn't they say that they didn't include Solomon because Rick Rubin wanted to change it and they didn't? That the audience already had a relationship with the song and they didn't want to break that? Think of the changes to the songs on the I&L&U EP, which were okay with the brothers, and how people reacted to them on the board. What mayhem would have ensued?
I think they made a smart move.
"Didn't they say that they didn't include Solomon because Rick Rubin wanted to change it and they didn't?" - KCJ
No. (I stand corrected now)
I don't recall ever hearing OR seeing that and it just doesn't jibe with any accounts of Rubin's production style.
I think Solomon and Late in Life will both surface as some type of bonus tracks or b-sides. I only hope it's not the "call and response" version of Late In Life, although I fear the worse.
I liked the space in that song before and the "response" just clutters it and sucks the air out.
Not my song, though. I still like 90% of everything they do.
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I'm pretty sure they did say something to that effect. I'll try to see if I can find it, though I really don't know where to start looking.
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When at first I learned to speak.
I used all my words to fight.
With him and her and you and me.
Ahh, but it's just a waste of time.
Yeah it’s such a waste of time.
It's in this article:
http://www.indyweekblogs.com/scan/2009/04/interview-the-avett-brothers-r...
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When at first I learned to speak.
I used all my words to fight.
With him and her and you and me.
Ahh, but it's just a waste of time.
Yeah it’s such a waste of time.
stirred, you must have some high tech web skills
haha....that, or I don't have much of a life.
I'd go with the latter by the looks of my post count.
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When at first I learned to speak.
I used all my words to fight.
With him and her and you and me.
Ahh, but it's just a waste of time.
Yeah it’s such a waste of time.
Wow, that's a GREAT article. Thanks for linking that, stirred.
That bit about Solomon is very telling. And the point he makes about not changing that song because of the fans' relationship with it is exactly why I'm so confused about the studio version of Laundry Room.
Thanks for that link. That was a great article.
I still didn't get the impression that Rick was trying to "change" the song only trying to mature it. I gotta agree with TAB though, that song is done. iT'S ONE OF THEIR FINEST SONGS AND i AM GLAD THEY DIDN'T MESS WITH IT.
DAMMIT! caps lock.
Anyway. I'm glad they left it out instead of messing with it.
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Laundry room is not that different. If you think of how many of their songs are adjusted for live shows, more screaming/shouting or played faster. Then the song is not all that much different. I would assume that Rubin wanted to do something drastic, and they didnt jive with the changes.
Great read.
Danks for sharing!
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Do the best you can and that wont go unseen
I disagree. The whole feel of the song is completely different.
The song was stripped of its intensity, it's passion, it's emotional punch.
I dont know TLove. I prefer the "NPR version" but I still cant get the song out of me head.
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Do the best you can and that wont go unseen
Thanks, that was good to read again. Thought this part was particularly pertinent to the EP conversation (obviously,):
"You’ve built a relationship with the crowd in that song with the way it is. Some of them we don’t mind changing. The crowd will have to learn to understand that. Some of them, though, we share that with the crowd."
- Scott.
The crowd will have to learn to understand that.
Can't always get what you want... but if you try sometimes, well, you might find, you get what you need.
TLove- I challenge you to let go of what you thought you knew. Maybe"its intensity, it's passion, it's emotional punch," is just there in a way that's different from what you were expecting. I'm not saying change your opinion or don't feel how you feel, but just for a minute, try and let go of your emotions about it and approach it with a clean slate. Maybe you'll still hate it. But maybe you'll find something new, something worth keeping. Couldn't hurt to try, right?
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I’m walking with you,
I’m walking with you,
I might miss the meaning, but I’m catching the truth
You know, I think it was a different article, but I seem to recall Seth saying that one of the reasons Solomon didn't make the cut is because they were trying to bring songs to the table that could change and grow from their original form, as that is a big part of what this record was all about, and Solomon did not strike them as a song that had any room for change. Maybe it was the same article, but that's what I took out of it at least. Not that Rubin wanted to change it up and they said "No way!"
IFollow - That is a great suggestion and I think I may have done the subconsciously. Once I let go of any expectation I really started enjoying the music. Even Kick Drum!
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I knew I was wrong
what a wonderful article thanks again stirred
SCOTT AVETT: no principle or pride is going to get in the way of all of us agreeing that this is our goal- to make it the best we can in our eyes, not in commercial eyes, not in the people's eye, in OUR EYES.
that part really stood out to me.
and about the whole discussion on solomon not making the record, I was really upset over that. But I love that song as it is. If it was going to be changed then I'm okay with it not being on that album. I'll just be even more overjoyed to hear that one live
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-I've changed my mind so much I can't even trust it, my mind changed me so much I can't even trust myself.
Yeah. When I first read that article I took it as: "We want to take songs we play live, that have room to evolve and improve in studio, and record them for the album in a new different way.
We don't want to take Solomon and change it just to change it and put it on the album. We think its done and we will keep playing it live as is."
I didn't ever think it was a Rubin (edited from my original, and inane spelling: "Reuben" quoted below) thing. I think a lot of things are being attributed to his influence and, for the most part, the changes are the decisions of the band.
They wanted to make a studio album, not perform a live show in a studio.
P.S.
Obviously that's just my opinion. And I get to have my opinion. Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggonit people like me.
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Things change and get strange with the movement of time, it's happening right now to you.
"Obviously that's just my opinion. And I get to have my opinion. Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggonit people like me." - max
LOL!
Congrats to Senator Franken on his recent seating.
Yeah, I get the impression that maybe they didn't really dig the Rickster. Everything they've said has be very guarded and evasively worded. If Rick wasn't feeling it, maybe they just decided they had plenty of songs and needn't worry over the ones that weren't "gelling."
Also, I didn't wanna argue in the other thread, but Scott plainly states that they didn't record this album to make us happy ("FOR US"). They did it to make themselves happy and personally I say good for them. The judgment of the band, their management, and crew have sustained them and brought them this far. No reason not to trust it now.
At least not yet.
They've had an INCREDIBLE streak of great albums. In fact, I'd be hard press to name another run like this by any band. Hell, even the Stones are only good for about one great album every three of four and I can only name two Grateful Dead albums that are essential, and they came out back to back.
Springsteen pops to mind as having a good four album run.....Eagles, maybe, if you count their fist Greatest Hits, but seriously...
CJ, Mignonette, 4TG, and Emotionalism......I challenge anyone to match that output for quality and substance.
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(**Hey Steph/Dolph/Lars/someone: Can we get a QUOTE feature around here, please?!?***thanks***)
Max: I didn't ever think it was a Reuben thing.
Mmmm, Reuben!
Now I'm hungry again, thanks! :grrr: This not-eating-after-8pm thing is killing me! 
I'm doing this healthier eating thing and it's good but kinda boring. Supposedly the cravings will get better in a few weeks, but I have my doubts. I can't stop craving junk!
Anyways, as part of this healthy thing, I've been running more...lots of Avetts always, great beat to run to, fairly steady and about the right pace, and I really have enjoyed running to Kick Drum Heart the past couple days. Super fun and bouncy. Gives me a whole different appreciation of this song. Anyone else running laps with the Avetts?
Stirred, thanks for re-finding that article. After looking at it again, I think it's essential reading for anyone who has issues with the new songs.
"It will come across very easily as our best-executed piece, without a question. I think some people will have trouble with that, but we never wanted to be out of tune."
I think that they liked the relentless redos and practice, as an exercise in honing their craft.
And the part that lead me to think that maybe Rick wanted to go in a different direction in Solomon:
"We’re just talking about the occasions where we did something where Rick felt it needed to be something more. We were like, “Well, we’ve played it 1,000 times like this. Our minds can’t wrap around changing it.” That was a pretty relatively small part of the process for us. But “Solomon” was a good example of one where he would hear something different, and, for us, there wasn’t really a comfortable way to make that change."
I'd like to hear some takes from those sessions, to see what direction they were heading in these songs. Or maybe I don't want to look behind the curtain too much.
“I'd be hard press to name another run like this by any band.”
T.A.F.K.A.M.
To state the obvious, this was a pretty nice run.
Help! (#1 for 9 weeks; 41 weeks on chart)
Rubber Soul (#1 for 8 weeks; 47 weeks on chart)
Revolver (#1 for 7 weeks; 46 weeks on chart)
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (#1 for 27 weeks; 201 weeks on chart)
The Beatles (#1 for 8 weeks; 24 weeks on chart, also known as The White Album)
Angi, I run to the Avetts all the time. Nothing else motivates me quite the same. Right there with ya, Kick Drum Heart is the best for keeping pace.
Sundayrehab, thanks for for the memories. Those boys had it, for sure!
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I won't look back anymore, I left the people that do
It's not the chase that I love, It's me following you.
I agree with sunday in that they have had a collection of enjoyable albums. More than any of the other artists I listen to. Sure plenty of artists have made outstanding albums, but for me there are few artists in which I can listen to every album thoroughly. The way albums are meant to be listened. I imagine this album won't be any different. I'm pleased they made an album they are proud of. An album for them.
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-I've changed my mind so much I can't even trust it, my mind changed me so much I can't even trust myself.