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Schweiz (Deutsch)Is there an Avett Brothers Boots site?
Is there an Avett Brothers Boots site?
Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 10:40
There are all kinds of links out there to recordings of live shows by bands people love to follow (Dead, Phish, Springsteen are the obvious ones, but also Black Keys, Modest Mouse, etc.) Does anyone know of a place to hear Avett Shows? I specifically want to get my hands on Roanoke 7/11/09, as that has a super great version of "In the Curve".
(And remember, as long as you're not selling boots, it's not illegal.)
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The answer to your first question is "yes"
The answer to your last comment is "False."
And it's that uneducated lack of appreciation that makes me glad it takes a little effort still to find them.
No offense, but ANY distribution of copyrighted material is illegal whether money is exchanged or not. If "selling" it were the issue then sites like Pirate Bay and the original Napster would never have had an issue.
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Actually, it's complicated. Recording is illegal (bootlegging). Selling is illegal (Copyright infringement). Duplicating material provided for sale is illegal (Copyright infringement). Distributing copies of material provided to the marketplace is illegal (MP3s, burned albums, etc.). Yet, POSSESSING any of these things is not illegal, nor is distributing material not provided for sale to the mass market (as long as it is not for a profit.)
This is the well known WIPO loophole.
So, really you don't have to be snarky about it, I was simply asking. Maybe I am not the one who is "uneducated".
As for "lack of appreciation", commonly the people (like me) searching for these things are fans who already have paid the money for the records, paid the money for the shows, paid the money for the tees or posters or mugs or whatever...and still want more. If that's not appreciation, I don't know what is.
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Why do people hate "Yardsale"?
everytime i see this thread i think its about some kinda strange avett footwear brand, im really not sure why
Whether or not there exists a legal loophole, really isn’t the issue here. The only point that matters is that the Brothers themselves have asked that people not trade their live shows. There are a great many wonderful live recordings out there, If and when Scott and Seth change their stance I know the flood gates will open. I don’’t blame anyone for actively seeking out these recordings. But if you find them please honor the band’s wishes and don’t trade them or post them online.
Also, while I agree that the Roanoke 7/11/09 “In The Curve” was sweet, I prefer the version from Winston Salem 6/16/06.
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"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid”
Frank Zappa
I also thought of footwear. The guys do seem to be fond of boots. I'm sure you could ask where they BUY their shoes.
im glad im not the only person with footwear on their minds.
haha i was thinking the same thing about the boots
I too was thinking that it was about footwear.
and part of me was a little excited...I mean, who wouldn't want a pair of Avett Brother cowboy boots? haha
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-always remember there was nothing worth sharing like the love that let us share our name-
Would they be boots that the Avett Brothers had designed? Or would they just be cowboy boots that said Avett on them somewhere? Or just boots that they like? Really, the possibilities are limitless.
I'm thinking all of the above and more.
i would pay lots for a pair that was designed though.
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Hey Sunday,
I meant to tell you in Atlanta, that shirt you were wearing is awesome!
You truly are 'that guy who has everything.'
Good seeing you again.
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But my Pa's a country man, and that's what I'll be 'til I drop." -Margo
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Does anyone have a picture of the shirt sundayrehab was wearing in Atl? I've seen it mentioned in a couple of posts in different threads but I was not lucky enough to see it in real life.
Hope to meet you one day though!
It was nothing special. It just had the American Budget Network logo on the back and The Sunday Morning Rehab Show name on the front. It’s not worth a photo.
I saw you in Atlanta but had no idea it was you. I was in the pit on Seth's side but I did notice you and your sisters stars.
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid”
Frank Zappa
If I had seen that shirt I definitely would have known it was you, too bad I missed you.
Haha, I'm sure lots of people noticed me and my sister. Maybe I'll just start wearing the stars to every show so people can spot me. If you notice me at a show in the future (without the help of the obvious stars) feel free to come say hi!
My cousins bought tickets right before they sold out, so they were way up in the back of the theater. When the other girl w/ stars was being escorted out, they thought it was me and were very concerned that I had done something crazy and/or I was getting arrested. Why they thought I'd be stupid enough to get ejected from a show I'd been looking forward to all year, I do not know.
I was really hoping for a link to Joe's boots! ha
(And another great reason to have stickies or a working search box!)
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Team Avett #61
Be LOUD! Let your colors show!
Hey, wasn't the search button working yesterday?? and now it's not there again. man.
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Are they made by Carolina Climbers? i would like a pair in size 12E. Thanks!
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But their good times come with prices
And I can't believe it when I hear the jokes they make
At anyone's expese except their own
Would they laugh if they knew who paid?
I like to use the term, "Live recording".
I've been recording concerts for over twelve years. Never once have I had someone call me a thief until last night at the HOB Cleveland show. I recorded the HOB show.
You people do realize the Avetts allow taping of their shows. They do not allow trading via online. Do your homework.
I am not bootlegger. Most of the shows I do tape are by bands that allow you to trade their shows freely, not for profit.
Some bands see it as free advertising.
I have never been treated by another audience member so rudely than at the Cleveland show. By more than one concert goer. It was somewhat my fault, I did get in a little late to get to the spot I usually tape from at the HOB(I live in Cleveland and tape there frequently, frequent enough to know most of the sound crew that work there.
I was on the guest list for the HOB show. Made sure I could tape prior to going down. Sometimes the HOB can be a little testy with tapers. No problem getting in the door. Security was well aware that audience taping was allowed for the evening. Someone should have told the egomaniac and his girlfriend and their friends.
Now, I was in the wrong somewhat. I tried to get down in front of the SB, DFC. The best spot in the HOB to record from. PACKED it was. Like sardines! All I had to do was set up my mics. Everything else was plugged in. So, I made my way down to my usual spot. I asked if I could set up against the SB wall. They had no problem with it until they realized what I was doing. Then they asked who I worked for. Made it a point to tell me that I was bootlegging and stealing from the Avett Bros. DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD LET ME IN WITH $5000.00 worth of recording gear if it were not ALLOWED!?!?!?
Another fan told me he couldn't see around my 1" diameter stand that was up around 13' high. SEE!?!?! It's music, what in the hell do you need to see?
You people use the term bootleg in the wrong manner.
Great show, GREAT RECORDING, that will never see the light of day.
Also, one of the worst crowds I've ever been around.
I wasn't there, so I can't comment as to the crowd, and you sound really defensive, but I will say this:
"SEE!?!?! It's music, what in the hell do you need to see?"
Absolutely ridiculous comment. It's a concert....people clearly want to see the stage. Duh. If I didn't care if I saw them or not, I would stay at home and listen to my iPod. I don't know if your mike was obstructing anyone's view or not (again, wasn't there) but your desire to tape the show is no one's priority but your own. I honestly don't care one way or another if folks tape the show, but if it interferes with my enjoyment of the show - including my ability to see the action - you will definitely hear from me, and I know I'm not alone in this completely justified position.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.
midside taper, you are admitting you disrupted the concert experience of others by arriving late and going through the crowd to claim a spot you believe was rightfully yours and also obstructing the view of concert goers who made the effort to get there before you, to have a decent spot to hear and see the show. I'm a little befuddled at your (first) post.
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I have rules. Never eat or drink in underwear or pajamas/Scott Avett
“Great show, GREAT RECORDING, that will never see the light of day.
Also, one of the worst crowds I've ever been around.”
I hope you are wrong about your recording never seeing the light of day. There are so many great Avett concert recordings out there. I hope one day soon they will change their position on trading.
Some tapers feel they have a right to a spot where they feel the sound is best. If it was already crowded in front of the soundboard I think you were in the wrong to go set up there. You should have arrived early if you wanted to pick your spot. That being said I have to agree the crowds at Avett shows are getting hard for me to stomach. Where I once felt like it was a great family of respectful joyous fans it has become a weird, rude, loud party vibe. Half the people seem to feel it’s the event that matters and not the music. I have attended a few non Avett shows over the past month where I was so impressed by the crowd. At each of these shows I found myself thinking how nice it would be to see the Brothers play to an attentive polite audience again. I don’t understand why this is happening but I know it is.
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"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid”
Frank Zappa
In my experience it seems like the seated shows are much more polite and attentive in terms of the audience. The GA shows, especially in bars, are
getting louder and louder. Cleveland HOB was much louder and harder to appreciate than 2 days earlier at the Athens seated venue.
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I gave to you my ugly brown coat, you made it pretty when you put it on....
stirred-
i did admit that i was at fault. In no way was i entitled to any spot. however, it's a GA show. the fact that i was called a thief and that i was stealing from the band is ABSURD. I offered to give them copies for free on my dime.
please, someone tell me how a person cannot see around a pole 1' in diameter and 13' high? if you cannot see, move it's a GA show. there are no assigned seats. hell, i couldn't see the band half the time due to the 6'8" guy in front of me. did i ask him to move? no, i moved.
also, a couple pp have messaged me for a copy. i will return your messages when it's ready..
No, sir. Like I said, I don't know of the pole really obstructed anyone's view. But if I am there FIRST and you put the pole IN FRONT OF ME and it does obstruct my view, NO, I will not move. That is the point of getting there EARLY. I assume the 6'8" guy was there before you, so you would have no leg ot stand on if you asked him to move either. I'm sorry you encountered some rude folks in Cleveland. And I agree that you are allowed to tape, but it is on YOU to make that happen, no one else. You are giving off a real sense of entitlement in your posts, and as I said before, your desire to tape the show is no one's priority but your own.
All that said, I infinitely prefer a seated show to a GA show. I like to be able to get something to eat and hang out w/ my friends before the show, mosey to my seat and know that I can get a bottle of water or use the restroom during the show without having to beg people to let me back to my spot. I find the crowds are better at seated shows as well. But that's just me.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.
midside taper- I think it's pretty disrespectful that you seem to know the Brothers' stance on taping/trading (okay to tape, not okay to trade whether online or via physical copies) and yet still talk about handing out copies of the recording on their message board.
As for GA vs seated, I'll take a seated show over a GA show any day. I don't mind a line wait, but I think it's pretty nice to just show up and take my seat. Though the crowds are generally better at a seated show, you'll still find those couple of douches in the crowd who have no concept of proper show etiquette. Such is life, I guess.
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Team Avett #36
lildeadhead: that pen she uses to keep her setlists? it's a human-finger bone. dipped in the blood of the ones who yell out during "murder in the city". poetic, no?
Agreed re: bad apples at seated shows. However, I do find that it's generally rarer there, and even when it does occur, they're much more likely to respond well to polite requests to modify their behavior than folks at a GA show, who think you should just move if you don't like the way they're acting, because after all this is their world, we're just living in it.
God I am in the foulest mood today. Perhaps I should stay away till my blood pressure goes down a bit.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.
heids-
got there in plenty of time to set up what i wanted to do. what do you not get about a GENERAL ADMISSION concert? and no, the 6'8" guy came after i was there. did i ask him to move, no. did i move, no.
littledeadhead-
ironic name you have there, isn't it? if the Avett's don't want their music traded or shared, then don't allow taping, bottom line. it's not stealing and there are no copy right infringements. no law is being broke. if anything, it's FREE publicity for the band. assuming you're a "dead 'head', i would expect you to understand this.
not sure where you are reading that i am handing out copies. i simply said that i will return the messages when it's ready. what the 'it's ready' means is up for debate.
i'm sure none of you people have ever copied a cd or a cassette tape and given it to a friend. that's breaking the law, right?
I can see that there's not a lot of point of debating this with you, because we clearly have different ideas of what concert-going etiqutte entails. I will say this: General admission doesn't mean "free-for-all on space." If I'm there before you, you do NOT have the right to put something in front of me just because you want to and expect me to move. I shouldn't have to move from the spot that I've claimed in order to accomodate you.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.
heidis-
i am right here with you. it's not a free-for-all. i totally understand your position, and do agree with you to a point.
i'll pose this question:
if it were a large person(tall) that came and stood in front of you and didn't move the entire time, wold you ask him/her to move cause you couldn't see?
whats the difference between a microphone stand and a person?
I've been doing this for awhile now. i've always respected others around me and made sure i(and other tapers i'm with) are not bothering others. i've seen some rude tapers before that try to shush the people around them, etc. i really could care less if people talk and yell around me.
Everyone's got their different threshold for what they'll put up with at a concert and what bums them out. I used to have a much higher one. And there are certain things that will never be settled - like the "do you sit or stand during seated shows" debate that rages on - but there are certain objective standards that I believe all folks should adhere to, and if you don't, you're a prick. I mean, sure, you have the right to go ahead and talk throughout the show, spill your drinks on folks, repeatedly scream out song requests or make lots of "whooooing" sounds during Murder in the City. But don't be surprised if people call you an a**hole.
As to your hypothetical: I am fortunate b/c I"m 6'1", so I'm frequently the one letting people who come to a show after me stand in front of me so as not to obstruct their view. But to answer your question, Yes. If someone taller than me entered a show after me and took a spot in front of me, and I couldn't see, then I would politely ask them to move or at least work out a way for us to share the space so that we could enjoy the show equally. I don't expect everyone to bend over backwards so that my concert-going experience is flawless, but I do expect people to be polite and accomodate others around them in a reasonable manner.
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different, we love to talk on things we don't know about.
Though I might not necessarily agree with or understand the stance the Avetts have taken regarding taping/trading, I do respect their wishes. This isn't the place to talk about contacting others when the recording is "ready". If you intend to trade or give away your recording, don't offer to do so here. It isn't a matter of legality, it's a matter of respect for the band and their wishes.
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Team Avett #36
lildeadhead: that pen she uses to keep her setlists? it's a human-finger bone. dipped in the blood of the ones who yell out during "murder in the city". poetic, no?
So it's OK to post youtube clips in every thread but you can't even reference the distribution of a recording? Yeah that makes sense.
I think it's well past time for the Avett's to reconsider their position on the distribution of their music. It's completely unreasonable and unrealistic to think people will spend all the time, money and effort to record but not distribute it. And until they do change their position, anyone who posts a video link is just as guilty of disrespecting the band's wishes.
"anyone who posts a video link is just as guilty of disrespecting the band's wishes."
That's not true. They are cool with the posting of videos as long as it is not a new unreleased song.
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"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid”
Frank Zappa
It fascinates me that there is a bottomless pit of people who claim to love and respect this band, but do not hesitate to insult their intelligence and business acumen. I must admit I would feel a certain satisfaction if the Avetts decided to forbid all audio recording as a final answer to all this griping. Be happy they exhibit much more patience than I would.
By the way, nice first posts midside and otis.
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"Technology to wipe out truth is now available, not everyone can afford it but it's available." B. Dylan
Rejoice always, Mark
I must say it is a testament to the loyalty and devotion of a fan base to so publicly support their distribution policies. Having said that, I come from a background listening to bands who fully support the distribution of their recorded material, and in that world there is a similar fervor for protecting that right. Tapers, in general, are extremely good fans who have invested a tremendous amount of their own money to perfect their art form and share it with the masses. The Avett's do allow taping and I have seen rigs at everyone of the shows I have attended. I have none of those recordings in my possession though and that is a testament to the respect that tapers have for The Avett's policy.
So the next time this discussion comes up you feel good in stating the obvious facts of the policy and not vilify the individuals who are allowed to tape for their own purposes. Also, if a taper and a single 1" pole are runing your experience? Move. Drunkards are more likely to have a negative effect than a taper though.
Enjoy the music, however you can.
"Drunkards are more likely to have a negative effect than a taper though."
You got that right.
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Odd Thomas
Don't assume too much Mr. Zimmerman. I never said anything about loving or respecting anyone. I was a Low Anthem fan first and that's why I was there.
You're all right though. The Avett's recording policy is rooted in sound logic and should not be subject to discussion at all. Especially on a discussion board.
"rooted in sound logic"
I am not sure any of us would make that claim. I have always compared it to South Carolina's laws on Fireworks. You can buy them but you can't light them off.
I try to honor the bands wishes but, even after a few conversations with them about it, I don’t fully understand their reasoning.
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"Humanity is a parade of fools, and I am at the front of it, twirling a baton"
Odd Thomas
I don't understand it either, and while we have discussed it before, it's kinda been discussed to death. that being said, I think what really offends people is talk of either 1. flouting the rules and 2. disparaging their decision on their own board. Just a respect thing.
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"that being said, I think what really offends people is talk of either 1. flouting the rules and 2. disparaging their decision on their own board. Just a respect thing."
Exactly! And Otis, I appreciate your confession of disrespect for the band. Now your comments make much more sense. At least we both agree Low Anthem is an amazing band.
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"Technology to wipe out truth is now available, not everyone can afford it but it's available." B. Dylan
Rejoice always, Mark
DIME is allowing these downloads in direct opposition to the bands wishes. It's sad.
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"Humanity is a parade of fools, and I am at the front of it, twirling a baton"
Odd Thomas
what's even sadder is that people insist on posting the info on this site in direct opposition to the band's wishes...
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I think what these fans need is a direct quote from the band, or a link to an interview or clip with the brothers describing their stance.
Addicted: "...what's even sadder is that people insist on posting the info on this site in direct opposition to the band's wishes..."
So you work for the management do you? Show me then this band position on live music sharing in writing then???
It has been posted here many times "in writing"
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Odd Thomas
"..kjcraft
Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 12:27
I think what these fans need is a direct quote from the band, or a link to an interview or clip with the brothers describing their stance."
Well said KJ!!!!
sundayrehab: "...It has been posted here many times "in writing".."
Where? Show us then? Not some statment from a fan but a MOD.....
With our mostly useless search function, I found this:
Posted: Jun 7 2007, 4:38 PM
ramseurrecords
"When the new website is launched we will have a taping policy. At this point we are ok with taping as long as it is not a soundboard tape and that it is not traded or sold. This might change when we have an official policy.
Thanks,
Dolph"
Then from Steph:
Posted: Feb 15 2008, 5:32 PM
At this point, what Dolph said in the above post still stands. We don't mind if you tape, but we don't want the tapes to be traded or sold (or to be recorded from the soundboard). Sorry we don't have more answers, but as of right now, it's the only way we know of to ensure that only their best work is put forward.
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Team Avett #36
lildeadhead: that pen she uses to keep her setlists? it's a human-finger bone. dipped in the blood of the ones who yell out during "murder in the city". poetic, no?
Thanks.....